My Pop Five
My Pop Five
Our Pop Five: What Happens When You Actually Try the Things People Recommend?
What happens when you finally experience the books, movies, and music everyone's been telling you to check out for years? Ryan and Daniel revisit four seasons of podcast conversations to reveal how "My Pop Five" has fundamentally changed their relationship with art and culture.
The conversation begins with Daniel's newfound obsession with Robert Eggers' "Nosferatu" before pivoting to the heart of the episode: reflecting on cultural touchstones they might never have experienced without the podcast's recommendation format. Daniel shares how Devon's early episode featuring the band Brand New transformed his entire approach to music, while Ryan recounts how interviewing Juliana Zachariou deepened his appreciation for her artistry beyond fandom.
The hosts trade stories of belated cultural education—Daniel's deep dive into David Lynch's filmography came heartbreakingly close to the director's passing, while Ryan finally binged the Harry Potter series after years of avoidance, culminating in watching the final film with the LA Philharmonic at the Hollywood Bowl. Their discussion of The Simpsons reveals how revisiting certain works uncovers layers of cultural influence previously invisible to them.
Perhaps most touching is their exploration of how our relationship with art evolves as we age. Daniel describes rewatching The Iron Giant in a theater years later and being moved to tears by nuances his younger self couldn't appreciate. These moments of reconnection with art—seeing it through more experienced eyes—showcase how static works can yield entirely new meanings as our lives progress.
As we stream into Season 4, join us for more conversations about the art and media that shape our lives, and the beautiful connections formed when we share what we love with the people around us. What recommendation have you been putting off that might change everything?
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Hey everybody, we are back. It is another episode of my Pot 5, or should I say an Our Pot 5. These types of episodes are ones where we bring in the group from the internal Pot 5 team to come and talk about things that were more related to a theme, like our favorite things from high school or our favorite things related to award seasons. And today we have a little bit of a special twist that we will get into. But before we do, this is also our first ever episode that we are live streaming. Daniel, in the meantime, why don't you tell some people I know you had some movies and things like that that you were really into lately- Nosferatu.
Speaker 2:I have a lot of.
Speaker 1:Robert Eggers.
Speaker 2:Robert Eggers. Nosferatu came out on Christmas Day, I'm pretty sure, and this one I went to go see it and I gosh, at this point I've seen it probably like five or six times. Like at first I had a certain opinion and I think that that has kind of changed. Well, for anyone that doesn't know, nosferatu was kind of like the original horror movie Came out, I believe in 1922 and it was a silent film and it was a notorious ripoff of dracula, the original novel by bram stoker. It existed actually it was.
Speaker 2:The estate of bram stoker took the filmmakers of nosferatu to court and it was deemed that they did in fact plagiarize and they were asked to destroy all copies of the movie.
Speaker 2:But they some survived not quite sure if they were bootlegs or whatever it may be, but it became just kind of the original horror movie and became very influential over time. So Robert Eggers, who is a big fan of the film, got the chance to remake it and I believe it had been in production for many years, pretty much right after the Witch came out, which was his first movie, I think in 2015. So, yeah, there's a lot of history and I think that that's what made it so intriguing to me was being a remake of kind of the original horror movie made by a guy who's known for his critically acclaimed horror and otherwise artsy kind of arthouse movies. So very, very interesting to me just the premise itself and the history of it and overall what I think is like a really good movie, but not necessarily one like I guess I would have a hard time recommending it to people because I think it is really weird.
Speaker 1:I think it's a weird movie.
Speaker 2:The internet discourse around it has been very positive, which has been really cool, but I do have a lot of opinions on it. So maybe someday because I don't think you've seen it yet, ryan right, I have not. No, I definitely need to.
Speaker 1:Okay, hopefully in the future, maybe the next time we do something like this we can talk about it, because I really am curious about what your thoughts are. Totally Unfortunately for you, the brand that you've created in some regard on this show and in some ways in our friendship is like so much of an association with SpongeBob.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, that's so true, I didn't even make that connection, and so much about.
Speaker 1:You know, my understanding of Nosferatu especially, you know, not knowing until like later in life, was like the SpongeBob episode where they go oh, nosferatu, you know Right, and so like the fact that you were like so geeked to talk about that movie was really funny, considering. You know, that's how I place you in my head sometimes.
Speaker 2:It's on brand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's many other things that I value you for, but Spongebob is definitely one of them.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, let's go ahead and get into the main topic of today's show, because there's a lot that we've had a chance to do some really cool themes with. But the thing I wanted to spend some time doing is kind of going back and thinking about hey, we're now in season four. This is our first time that you and I are getting together to chat on the show. We've had three incredible guests kick off the season and, as I was kind of going through and interviewing these guests and kind of posting and reflecting on the show, one of the things that I was like reminded of and super grateful for is that, whenever we started, one of the things that I kind of listed as like a value prop for the show was that there are so many times in your life that your friends or people that are around you are like really passionate about something. They just saw this TV show that they loved, or heard a record that they were, you know, obsessed with, and they want to share that onto the world, and so they're like Ryan, daniel or whomever go check this out. And then, with all good intention, we say things like absolutely, I'll check it out, I'll put it on my list, and then we never actually go and check out the thing. And one of the things that I've really loved about this show is that kind of the design of it is that when people put a movie on their pot five or they put a record on their pot five and as much as possible if they put a book or website or anything like that, I take the time to go and watch the movie, read the book, listen to the album before the show and I'm so excited after having done it.
Speaker 1:So today, daniel, what you and I were tasked at doing is kind of looking back on our now four years of doing the show and saying what have been the things that we're really grateful that we got to experience, that we probably wouldn't have experienced otherwise because of the show, and in some ways, like, what are we happy that we got to talk about? Because maybe we're the ones geeking out about something and we never really got to talk about it or didn't have the outlet to talk about it, but the show allowed us to do that. So taking some time to do some of that, yeah. So I'm curious as we kind of kick things off. I tasked each of us with kind of writing like five things down, like I ask every guest, daniel, with no comments, no context. What are the five things that you kind of listed that you're grateful for having had the chance to experience because of the show?
Speaker 2:Okay, here it is, white Lotus season two. Brand new the band the Iron Giants, david Lynch and the Simpsons.
Speaker 1:Dig it, and I wrote for my five that I'm happy that we got to chat about our experiences. Tom Waits, juliana Zachariou, ben Gibbard slash, zach Ray of Death Cab for Cutie, bo Burnham's Inside, and Harry Potter Whenever I think to you know, what's the thing that you really took away from an episode on this show? What was the one that first came to mind for you, daniel?
Speaker 2:It was brand new the band that was.
Speaker 2:It was Devon's and it was one of the first episodes that we recorded and at the time that we recorded that I was familiar with the band just historically, just kind of the world that they come from, which is, you know, early 2000s, late 90s, early 2000s, east Coast pop, punk and emo, and have friends that are very into the band but never really kind of discovered them on my own. And then after we did that episode, I listened to, I probably started by listening to an album and then just realizing, I guess, what I had missed for the past 14, 15 years and, not having listened to the band, I would say at this point, five years later, it's a pretty significant band for me, just in terms of music that I've heard, music that I've listened to. That is very I don't know, I guess, just formative, formative even as an adult, like formative to the way that I approach music, approach listening to music. Now you know it was. It was very much kind of a very much a significant moment in my consumption of art over the past several years.
Speaker 1:Sure, I also want to start this with.
Speaker 1:You know, someone kind of told me that, like when you're talking about some controversial figures that like generally, generally want to throw out there controversy noted in regards to kind of what's going on with Brand New and the lead singer, brand New, and all of that as much as possible.
Speaker 1:Speaking of the art, there's so much really good songwriting there. There's so much that people go to music for an escape. There's so much that, like people go to music for an escape, people go to music to be able to have a shared sense of feeling or a shared sense of experience here in the world, you know, and there's so many of those songs that evoke feeling, that evoke relationship, that evoke all of these different aspects that it's why people like you have resonated with it. But also, like, going back to the guests that we had on the show, devin Corey kind of talked about how instrumental it was for him both as a music producer and someone who got to work with bands of similar stature when he first got in the industry. But then also just like how do you get through daily life and school and friendships and how do you commiserate with kind of the feelings that exist and just trying to make it through your every day. And so, yeah, it's very cool and powerful that those types of things exist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely To go back to the controversial, I guess that is another part of, I guess, my experience with the band. That was different because it was a few years after all of this. That was different because it was a few years after all of this stuff came out. So I think it does change how you look at things. Just knowing I kind of poked around on the internet a little bit, just kind of seeing what people had to say, especially post this news, and how they felt about the music. So, yeah, I think that that I guess I can't necessarily put my finger on exactly what, what made it different other than the obvious, but it did give me a lot to think about, I guess, and I guess that's probably an experience that a lot of people have, especially in the social climate that we live in right now.
Speaker 2:You're constantly experiencing art and learning things about the artists. That's something that we are inundated with all the time and it was a very specific experience that I hope I could have more specific thoughtsated with all the time. And it was a very specific experience that I hope I could have more specific thoughts on sometime in the future. For anyone that is not aware, brand New disannounced that they are going to be playing some shows this year for the first time since, I believe, 2017. So there is some discourse going on right now about what that means, about how people means, about you know how people feel about it, but I think it is a testament to what the music means to the community that adores it, that people are excited, and so just a little bit of a difficult, I guess, conversation to have in a lot of ways, but is, uh, an interesting part of it, I guess.
Speaker 1:For my own, what if any kind of song is one that you keep going back to.
Speaker 2:Okay. The album is the Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me. The song is called you Won't Know, and I think that that is one of the best songs that I've ever heard. Okay, yeah, if there's one song that people might want to check out from this album, I think it would be this song.
Speaker 1:Well, let's listen to a bit of you Won't Know by Brand New.
Speaker 3:Hey, hey, hey, mr Hammer, go get your room. Your daughters were careful. I fear that I am a slippery slope Now. Even if I lay my head down, it's not After.
Speaker 1:Very cool, very cool. So, for everyone, if you haven't listened to Brand New, go check it out. And also, with all these things that we mentioned, they all have the inception of being from a previous one of our episodes and not to be too self-indulgent, but our episode with Devin, in which we talked about this, was one of our first and it's an awesome kind of tying capsule to go back and see what we were chatting about about that time and at the very inception of the show. So if you want to hear us talk more in depth about brand new, go listen to our episode with Devin Corey.
Speaker 1:I want to kind of shift gears and kind of talk about yeah, there's the stuff that we feel, you know, really grateful for that we got to chat about, but then there's also the aspects of like, who are the people that we really got a chance to talk to? You know I was a fan for a long time of so many of our guests and you know me being a fan of theirs and then being able to reach out and have conversations with them has, like, been such an overwhelming experience.
Speaker 3:And so I want to talk a bit about, uh, Julianna Zachary.
Speaker 1:Juliana was one of our guests that I had a chance to see her at some shows and reached out and asked her to come on the show and she was so gracious enough to come on. But you know, when you chat with people you don't really know who they are. You get to see some personality in the things that they say or in their music, but when it actually then kind of exceeds your expectations, it's just like such a special feeling. And there's a moment in that episode where you know she had put Barbra Streisand on her pop five and she's talking about, you know, certain songs and is riffing and singing and listening to the song on her phone and then singing along with it.
Speaker 1:And you know we didn't have video at the time, but you, when you know, just I could still see her face when we were recording it, just like this and just her expressions as she was kind of going through it, and it's just like that larger than life personality, while also having just like the coolest songs, the coolest music and just having that moment to be like, oh my gosh, here's someone I've admired so much for so long. They're so cool. They had such a good array of things on their pot five. It was so fun. But then, yeah, I got to chat with her and it was really cool and it was really fun and, yeah, loved that experience I had a similar experience with my our guest, mike seatown.
Speaker 2:he is part of a collective of, I would say, I guess, like cultural commentators, music critics, mostly known for dead end hip-hop, and we got to talk to him about his pop five and that was just like such a surreal experience, just getting to actually kind of like pick his brain about the things that he's interested in, especially just because of the hours and hours over the years of like content that I've consumed of his group and his people and I always thought his voice stood out to me the most more, at least appealed to my own interests the most. So, yeah, that, and actually that is what introduced me to david lynch, what was also on my list so there's there's that connection there.
Speaker 2:at the time I hadn't I hadn't I think I had watched maybe the pilot episode of twin peaks and since then have watched the entire show, including the return, and you know, that's another thing where it's like it introduced me to something that became so significant, and I think, for Twin Peaks specifically, its influence is just everywhere in pop culture and it really opened my eyes to all of that influence everywhere. Oh yeah, that's where that came from. That's why things are the way that they are. My experience, similar to yours about, you know, getting to talk to someone that was that. You know we've enjoyed their content over the years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's so crazy that you had that experience at this point too, because it's also just like right before he passed, you know. So it's like getting into David Lynch and being like I'm going to binge all of his stuff this is one of the greatest people who's ever done it. And then when they pass, it's just like heartbreaking. And had you not had that experience, you know, like not to say you, you would have cared less. But I mean, like, had you not really dove deep into David Lynch, like the passing could have come and gone, you know. But then, like someone became so important to you right before they pass and it just ends up being more of like, you know, like darn it. You know why. I'm glad that.
Speaker 2:I had this experience, but then, no, you know, now I won't get more of this you know, yeah, that's true, I hadn't, I hadn't actually thought about that, but yeah, but now I'm sad about it. It's strange how things like that happen. I wouldn't have been able to, I guess, even just this collective experience that everybody had when he passed, you know, to be a part of that, or to to realize, as it's happening, like everybody's realizing, like what we've just lost, or, you know, the world is a is a smaller place without that person, and I think there is value in getting to experience that you know and be a part of the celebration of that person's life, having already been affected by their work Totally.
Speaker 1:And again, this is one of those things that, like I'm sure people have told you multiple times in your life like you got to check out David Lynch, you got to check out Twin.
Speaker 1:Peaks, you know, and it's just like nah but then, like, the show forces you to do it, and now you're in and you're obsessed and you found this new thing that you're crazy about. But yeah, on the opposite side of that coin, you know, some of the things that I saw we both had on our list is like one, daniel, you were a guest on the show, so you got to have your own pot five, you know, and had I had my own, which maybe someday there'll be a future episode with mine on there. But you know, death cab for cutie, ben Gibbard would probably be on there, and so we also got the chance to talk about the things that, like, we really loved and have been really impactful for us and me. It was through, like a Dean from early internet came on the show and he put Ben Gibbard on his, and so that was my first chance to really geek out about Ben Gibbard as the songwriter.
Speaker 1:But then, secondarily, getting Zachary from Death Cab for Cutie on the show and having him on to like talk about that experience and his pop five as well. And then you had Iron Giant for you, you know, on your episode, and so I'm curious, let's kind of start there Iron Giant, there for you, we had the chance to talk about it on your episode, but it sounds like you have more to say and more to have experienced since we talked about it. So walk me through why that's here on your list today.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So what's different or I guess what more I have to say about it now is that I got to see it at an Alamo draft house Okay, I think it was last year and they did a special. I think it was just like movies from different eras or different decades or something like that. I can't remember exactly what the theme was, but they, they had a showing and I, you know, just getting getting the the theater experience with that movie, but then also I it probably been a couple years since I had seen it.
Speaker 2:Um, also, I guess, just being more, I think this show has made me more of a fan of movies than I ever have been, and I've always loved movies. But I kind of rediscovered film because of this show, and so I think not only being able to see it in a theater but being able to see it after becoming a fan of just film in general was, yeah, it was just an awesome experience. I have always been emotionally affected by that movie, but it just made me like the ending of that movie just completely like tore me apart, like I was basically sobbing at the end, just with how much you know, just I guess, all of these different experiences and having affected me in so many different ways, and then experiencing it again later on. So, yeah, that maybe is the most self-indulgent pick on the entire list, because it's like we've already talked about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, but I think it's important. You know, one of the things that I think you can lose sight of sometimes is the fact that, as life goes on, you have different life experiences, and so, therefore, when you go back and revisit art, it can serve two different purposes there's probably more than two, but at least two that immediately come to mind for me which is like one I get to transport and be back in a place that I was when I first experienced that, you know, and I get to maybe relive some of those feelings and that nostalgia, pieces of it, of like. I get to leave this world and the experiences that I have now and go back and put myself in the place that I was when I first experienced this piece of art. Or you've lived more, felt more, had different experiences, and you go back and then you know, if we're talking about film, you relate to, to different characters. Maybe you were all in on what it was like to be the boy character in that movie, but maybe now you're more uh, you know, aligned with the robot or with the parents or whatever the case is, and you can experience the movie in such a different way.
Speaker 1:And the same thing with songs, you know, I think about all the time.
Speaker 1:You know even certain death cab songs, like if we're talking about, you know, ben gib and stuff like that is. You know there's sometimes I go back and there's a lyric that flew by me, not necessarily didn't care about it, but just it didn't necessarily resonate with me. And now, having lived more, or I'm now married and expecting my first child, and all of this stuff, like different lyrics, are going to hit a little bit differently, you know, and what may have felt like you know, rock music or lyrics that were coming from someone older, now it's just like oh, that was made for me and what may have felt like it was made for me 15 years ago may not resonate as strongly. And so, yeah, you evolve, the art can stay in one place and can stay stagnant, but your experience with it can change over time. So, sure, maybe self-indulgent, but at the same time, I think it's, you know, one of those that it's like that's one of the beautiful things about the political climate of the 50s.
Speaker 2:And that is something that you know. It's just, it's funny to think about because as a kid, you know, I think I was maybe three or four years old when that movie came out, so it was literally just the big robot. That was interesting, you know what I mean. And it's just like the sci fi very, very service level kind of sci-fi elements that were so interesting.
Speaker 2:And yet now, you know, I don't, I don't even know that as a kid I would have recognized it as a sad story or, you know, being an emotionally moving story at all. So it's funny, it's like, I feel like it's like that was an experience that where it's like I've seen this movie so many times, I've talked about this movie so many times to people that I love and then watched it again for the first time in so many years and it was like watching it for the first time in a lot of ways. So I don't know, it's just, it's cool and, yeah, very, very much a significant experience with art that I've had, you know, in recent memory yeah, let's go ahead and take a quick break here and listen to some tunes.
Speaker 1:I mentioned a couple artists and ben gibard slash, zach Ray, death Cab since put out an album since we did that episode, so I'm going to play a little bit from their most recent record, and this song is called here to Forever by Death Cab for Beauty.
Speaker 4:In every movie I watch from the 50s. There's only one thought that swirls around my head now, and that's that everyone there on the screen, yeah, everyone there on the screen, yeah, everyone there on the screen. Well, they're all dead now. They're all dead now, and it ain't easy living above and I can't help but keep falling in love.
Speaker 1:Daniel, I'm curious too. You know you had the simpsons on here, you know, and that's one that I don't think we've ever had a chance to break down and talk about.
Speaker 2:So let's talk a bit about the simpsons I just watched, I guess what people would consider the golden era of the simpsons, which is most people would consider that to cut off at like season eight or nine I watched all the way 40 some or something, right, yeah, so like.
Speaker 2:But it's something that I've always been interested in. I've always. I have so much nostalgia for the halloween specials because they were still very popular when I was very, very young. Um, so it's something that I've always had an interest in, and just animation in general and like that specific world of like adult animation.
Speaker 2:But over the past couple of years has just become like, I think, in a lot of ways, like like what I was saying about twin peaks being such a such an influential show, that's what I realized about the simpsons. It's like, oh, all of these things kind of were originated by the simpsons. And there's this you know running joke, I guess, about how every episode concept has been done by the Simpsons, you know, because there are just so many episodes, but also not just because of the quantity but I guess also the quality of the writing. Yeah, just something that has always kind of been there in the background and I've always, you know, I've enjoyed in bits and pieces here and there. But I guess just in recent years has become like I am a total like Simpsons fanatic at this point and I am so familiar with all of the, you know, lore and continuity and stuff.
Speaker 1:So that's awesome, yeah, and for the audience, simpsons was featured on our episode with Kylie Brakeman. Kylie is this phenomenal comedian. You'll see her all over in LA and things she wrote for the Tonight Show, for Jimmy Fallon and just incredible stuff. So if you want to check out more talk about the Simpsons, go check out that episode, for sure.
Speaker 1:One thing that I remember us touching on in that episode a bit, daniel, but like what I love about the Simpsons and it's unfortunate that like there's pros and cons that you know with shows that go on that long is there's like tones and themes and things that you expect from characters over time and then things that change just because things have to change when you're talking about a show that runs at length. But like I still get emotional thinking about that episode where you know he's plunging away at work and you know you think he's just this terrible dad and he has this things like I do it for her and it's like a picture of Maggie on his desk, you know, and just like you have these like heartfelt, like human moments, like Homer's, just this, but no, there's a little bit more. He does care about his family and you know, getting able to being able to see those moments Like, yes, it's slapstick, yes, it's funny, but there's also like real moments within the show.
Speaker 2:Totally. I think, about the. What I believe is the very first episode of that aired, at least season one, episode one, and it's Christmas with the Simpsons or something along those lines. But it's just the story of how they got their dog, and Lisa has this line at the end when he, when you know, he reveals the dog as the Christmas present because he doesn't really have the money that year to buy everybody presents but brings, he brings home a dog and, um, lisa has this line about how, you know, it's basically just like the greatest christmas present ever and it's just like the sweetest ending.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, that's true, the simpsons is very, very heartfelt and it, I guess, uh, for for being such a, for being a show that can be so irritating sometimes, how, how dumb and silly, uh, especially a character like homer can be, you do, at a certain point, become endeared to him, just because you realize that he cares. He just is dumb, you know what I mean like he gets himself into situations because of his own stupidity, but at the end of the day, it's, it's all well-meaning, um, and he'll still, he'll still like stick up for his family or be there for his family when he needs to be, and so, yeah, that's true, I definitely recommend anybody watch. You know, some of that early simpsons stuff and I do plan to continue on just because I'm curious about, like right, where it goes and and you know, I know that people have different experiences or with like the later seasons, but I do want to continue on and kind of see for myself what it becomes. But yeah, those early seasons are definitely something that I would recommend anybody watch.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, it's unfortunate, like Family Guy and shows like that have kind of been the same when they run a long time.
Speaker 2:No-transcript, I'm like this is not even the same character, right I guess just that is something that that always bothers me in general, like I always laugh because I have a hard time with tv shows. Just I guess I'm more of a movie guy because I like just shorter bursts and you know, trying to keep up with the whole show can be a little bit overwhelming, especially because I didn't really keep up with movies and tv for like a long time and so now, kind of coming back to it, it can be overwhelming.
Speaker 2:I'm like I have so much to catch up on to get there's 38 seasons to get with the conversation that it's like it's overwhelming, yeah yeah, the Simpsons is one where it's like I already have problems and I always make jokes about show. I'm like seven or eight seasons of a show Whereas, like for someone who likes TV, they love that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But for me I'm just like I don't, I don't need that much TV, you know. So for the Simpsons it's like it's just comical how, how much there is to consume. You know, it's just and I've heard that from what I heard that the people like the people that run the show now, is something along the lines of like I don't want to live in a world where the Simpsons isn't airing on Sunday nights with new episodes or something like that.
Speaker 2:And it's I don't know, I there's, there's. I guess I understand that mentality, but at a certain point, when it's just not what it was, then what's?
Speaker 1:the point. Yeah, I don't know. I mean in, in some ways there's aspects of it where it's like you can drop into any season and it kind of doesn't matter, like you don't need to have seen seasons one through ten to get season 11. You like that. Their shows are written in a certain sense that like they can be standalone both as a season but also as like a singular episode, and so that helps. And you know, in some ways they grow and touch things that are topical maybe not as like much as like SNL or South Park, where they're like insanely topical, like talking about things that are happening that week, but like it can evolve with the time with things that are kind of happening in the zeitgeist anyway. So that's one thing they have going for it.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I get what you mean, like there's a lot of tv to be consumed out there for sure yeah, and the original, you know, original creator of the show, you know went on to do other things that are that people like you know Futurama and Disenchanted or, I believe is Disenchantment I don't remember exactly what that show is called yeah, you know, went on to make other things and now it's become a different thing entirely. I don't know, but there's so much of it too that I'm like I'm curious how this journey of mine is going to go when I start watching some of the later seasons. And, you know, maybe I'll have, maybe I'll have the crazy Simpsons hot take where I'm like the golden era never ended, you know season 22.
Speaker 2:Yeah exactly so there's still a lot more to consume, you know.
Speaker 1:So maybe, maybe we can come back to that conversation later on down the road, for sure, Well, I have a couple of things then before I kind of want to get us out of here. You know one that I had a similar experience with and that, like, here's this thing that everyone's talked about forever but I just had never seen. It was Harry Potter, holland Baker, one of our episodes in season two. She talked, she put down Harry Potter. This is one of those things where I legitimately put it off for so long.
Speaker 1:You know, as a kid, harry Potter was the biggest thing.
Speaker 1:There are some aspects of it where, you know, there was some, like you know, rhetoric in society out there that was like Harry Potter is named after the devil or whatever you know, and it's just like you know, my mom was scared of that a little bit, you know, and so that's part of maybe what delayed my getting into it. But then, well, after that, at a certain point, I'm like I haven't seen it. I'm not, it doesn't really kill me that I haven't seen it and I push it off for so long. And this is one of those where, when holland finally put it on her pop five, I was like I guess I gotta dig in and so like, really binging all those harry potters was really cool and I'm glad I have had experience with it because, like there's so many things that pop up like memes memes that I never knew were like a thing and like going to Universal and like being on the rides is so much cooler when you know who the characters are and stuff like that, you know.
Speaker 1:So Harry Potter is similarly one of those ones where I'm like I have never seen it, Don't plan to see it. And then this show had me go through and I watched all of them and in fact the last one I watched live at like the Hollywood Bowl with like the LA Phil, and it was like such a cool way to like cap off the whole Harry Potter experience.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's super cool. I didn't know you went to that Really. So that was what. Deathly Hallows part two Yep, wow, that's cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:How serendipitous and lucky for you. What would you say is your favorite, one of?
Speaker 1:the eight. So I've gotten this question since, and what makes this very difficult for me is I binged a lot of them, so there's so many of them that I'm like I know one, I know two, and then there's like four, five, six, seven. All happened in like 36 hours so I'm like it's all kind of like one movie for me. But yeah, I can speak to like moments. I really loved the one where they had I think it's the fourth one goblet of fire, where they have like the ball and the dance and like robert pattinson's in that one, and they like yeah, have the like, their version of like the olympics and things that is kind of happening, and I'm like, I really like that one a lot.
Speaker 1:Um, that's one that sticks out to me for sure I think that might be my favorite one too all the potter heads are. This fucking guy doesn't even know the character's name.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I would probably say that one's probably my favorite one too, because I remember watching them, like me and my family would go see them growing up and I think we probably stopped, I think, at Order of the Phoenix, but then since then I have watched the rest of them. But yeah, that's always a fun experience, coming back to something that everybody has seen and then enjoying it. Like what would you say? Like now, would you consider yourself a Potterhead, is it that? Did you like it that much?
Speaker 1:No, I don't think I'm a Potterhead, but I also very much enjoyed them. You know I I'm not like it's not something that I'm like going to rewatch much ever, you know, or like.
Speaker 1:I'm not like I'm a Gryffindor through and through or whatever the case is, but if it's on, someone has it on and we're watching it, I'm not going to be disappointed. I'll be like, yeah, these are good movies and I like the characters and it's fun. So, yeah, I enjoyed them, but it kind of that's where it ends. Yeah, I'm curious, though, too, because they've also announced that they're basically redoing it in the form of a TV show on HBO Max, and so I'm like that's one thing.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure if I'll go through and kind of revisit, you know, or go through it I might, you know, just because it's like you know, I love kind of checking out what's new and what's coming out, but I'm also not like the people that are like dying for it to come out or playing the harry potter video games, which I hear are pretty cool. But yeah, just I enjoyed the films that's cool.
Speaker 2:That's cool because I feel like mine have. You have been like I experienced this thing that ever that I missed out on, and now it's you know my whole shit, whereas for you it's like you know it, my whole shit, whereas for you it's like you know it was cool.
Speaker 1:We're losing followers by the minute. As I'm not praising Harry Potter, I should have just said no, because of the JK Rowling stuff I can't support it, you know, and then I probably would have been okay which, by the way, all legitimate, you know. In regards to hate her views and the way she kind of handles things.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, no, I agree. And the way she kind of handles things. But right, yeah, no, agree. But I I think there's something to be said about just knowing, like being aware, like I was actually thinking about I've been thinking about this a lot as I get more and more into back into, like movies and tv is that there was a time where you know, era before streaming, where, especially like the era of like star wars and indiana jones and jaws, like everybody went to go see movies and everybody knew what had, even if you didn't like, and that and I think harry potter was probably at the tail end of that where, like, everybody went to go see harry potter because it was the big movie coming out and people who were never in their life were into wizards or or wanted to read the books, they went and saw that.
Speaker 2:And so there's something to be said, I think, about just certain moments in pop culture that kind of just makes you better for it, or at least it's just fun to experience what everybody you know, such popular moments, such iconic moments in popular culture, like I love doing that, you know. That's kind of what the past few years of my movie and TV show consumption has been is just like, oh yeah, this thing that is like so you know, so iconic and still talked about to this day, you know, classic. I love experiencing that stuff. So I think there's something to be said about just experiencing those moments and having that experience for yourself Totally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I completely agree. And yeah, it's one of those things too, like kind of like you talked about, where I kind of lament the fact that there's no longer a larger monoculture. You know, and it's like people knew when they went to work talked about what happened on Cheers the night before. You know it's because it's like there were like five channels and everyone watched what was kind of programmed, you know, and it's like I miss that. Shows kind of had that presence. But at the same time it's really cool that there are all of these subcultures and people that are into all these different things, and stuff that wasn't necessarily going to get platformed for the masses can still have its place. So it's kind of double-edged sword, it's like. Do you miss the things that were huge that everyone can experience together, or do you have the experience of people getting to live in their own pockets of the things that they love?
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's tough. As a matter of fact, if I may make a connection here, I think that that kind of I guess monoculture kind of framework is being applied a little bit to the show White Lotus, at least as much as I've seen from it, because I've actually only seen season two at this point. You never saw the first season. I never saw the first season, and it's actually funny because I was just. I ended up catching like the last two episodes of season two and then, like you know, so it's spoiled the whole thing. But then, like have since, like I'd be, I thought it was a really good story, but I I believe that I believe that season was the one was on one of the r-pop fives that you and brianna had talked about okay and so at the time I hadn't seen it and like I wasn't familiar with it or maybe maybe it wasn't on the show, I don't remember exactly.
Speaker 2:You guys talked about it one time when I was there and I was like I have no idea, I haven't seen this show. I'm not familiar with the show at all, but have since gone on to experience it for myself and being like oh yeah, this is really great. I see why so many people were talking about it and are talking about it again with season three, which I'm not. I think you're watching that right.
Speaker 1:The new season it's, it's still out there right now. So it's like one of those where, um, it's like week to week, so there's still, there's still stuff to be talked about. Yeah, totally. It's so funny because, like these shows are basically whodunits, you know, like you like spend week to week being like, oh my gosh, they tease something at the beginning of the show and I'm curious, who died? You know, and like you started with like knowing who the death was and being like all right let's kick this thing off, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then going back, yeah, and I well, and I think it's it's probably a testament to just how how good the show is, like, how good the writing is that, even though I caught like the last two episodes was like wait, you know, it was still the kind of moment to moment drama of it all is still that compelling that it's worth going back and catching up on and experiencing for yourself.
Speaker 1:Well, man, it's been so fun to do this with you, and I kind of want to close with the kind of one the last one that I had listed and kind of relates to what we've been doing here today and that's Bo Burnham's Inside.
Speaker 1:So many of my favorite memories with the show is, of course, with the incredible guests that we bring on but, are so much the times that we would sit together and talk about the things that we love collectively whether it was Brianna on the show or Ronnie when she comes through, or when we love and we did an episode called the things that got us to the pandemic, um, and I just remember kind of sitting in my living room in pasadena at the time with you, brianna, um, I think dominic was there in the background. He may have not even been on mic, but we were just hanging out talking about the things that got us through the pandemic and talking through bone burn them and inside, and it's just like I think about this show. The thing that I keep going back to is like those times when it was just like us together really geeking out about things we love and the snapshot of just like what it was like to have that like isolating experience and like everything that has kind of rung true with like his views on the world from that time. And, yeah, such a special thing. So I'm going to go out.
Speaker 1:Thank you again for doing this today, for getting together to just talk about some things we love or things that the show has given us. The biggest one for me is just the relationships we have with you and so thankful that we've done this. So here's something from Bo Burnham's Insight That'll do it for today's show. Thank you so much for listening. Season four has a lot of really great, great guests for you. The rest of the way, april's going to be jam-packed. May's going to be jam-packed.
Speaker 3:We'll see you next time. See you, you can pick the street. I'll meet you on the other side. So long goodbye. Do I really have to finish? Do returns always diminish? Did I say that right? Does anybody want to joke when no one's laughing in the background? So this is how it ends. I promise to never go outside.
